E012 - Stuck In Sweden During Covid With Eunice Kuo

James Doran (00:06.094)

Hello and welcome to the Hex Path Pod. My name is James your host and today I'm with Eunice who's originally from Hong Kong but lives in Sweden, which is where we met playing paddle in a event that you and your boyfriend Kevin host for International. Yeah. So hi everyone. I'm Eunice and I am from Hong Kong and I came to Sweden one month before the COVID happened. So it was like 2019 November. If I don't remember wrong. Yeah. And I came here.

Actually, from the beginning, it's because I was just planning to visit my boyfriend because we were having a long distance since then. And after three months, because of the lockdown and everything, so then I actually decided to, we need to have a living together in Sweden. So we started like a startup together. And after that is after three years, because then we have lockdown. So I...

couldn't go back to Hong Kong so I have to stay here so I have to find a way out of it and yeah that's kind of like my story so I'm here with like a 10 kilo of luggage and then yeah it ends up to be yeah kind of permanent because now I'm I'm with my working visa and I'm kind of like settled so yeah this is my story Wow the great introduction

I guess we'll get into section one more about how you got here and dig into those details a bit further.

James Doran (01:42.798)

So hello, welcome to section one of the podcast all about getting there. So Eunice, you gave a great introduction about kind of your reasons for living in Sweden now. Can we just going back to your moving just before COVID, you originally came with us for three months and then I guess got stuck here when the world went down. What was it like first coming over? Like, did you need anything before you came back a visa from Hong Kong or anything? Yeah, actually, it's quite lucky that we got like

working holiday visa from Hong Kong because Hong Kong and Sweden, they have some kind of like partnership. So that's why it's quite easy for me to come with that visa. And then I supposed to be here for one year, right? Because I wanted to visit my boyfriend. But then it is quite hard for us actually afterwards to transfer this visa into like work visa or like...

some other sample visa, but it's quite hard because all these visas cannot be done within Sweden. So literally we need to exit Sweden to start the process again. But then, maybe it's not lucky, but yeah, just because of the COVID, then I had a visa to stay in Sweden to do this application. So that's why I stayed in Sweden for 15 months in order to wait for the...

process of the working visa. So then, yeah, afterward I have to transfer this visa to, actually, yeah, it's a little bit complicated. And I think after 15 months, I got like a notification from the Swedish, immigration, yeah, immigration agency. And then they gave me a letter that I need to exit Sweden in order to process the working visa.

So then I left the country for one month. I came back with a work visa. So then it took me like, I think two and a half years in order to get into my first working visa actually. Wow. So that's a real rollercoaster. It's a little bit complicated actually. Yeah. But you say obviously without COVID that wouldn't have been an option for you, which is really quite interesting. Like something so horrific happened.

James Doran (04:00.078)

to so many people and it's obviously a huge crisis but these little silver linings and moments but I bet my girlfriend during COVID because she moved back home to be with her parents and we happened to be in the same radius on a dating app and that's how we met. Now if it wasn't COVID we probably never had met. Yeah. Similar thing like those little like blossoms that have come out of COVID for all the tragedy that happened for those two, two and a half years.

still now, there's some amazing things which happened, which is your ability to change country and migrate. Yeah, exactly. I actually also didn't really think about this option before moving to Sweden because for me, it's kind of like a Southern, right? I didn't really plan to come to Sweden. I only bring my 10 kilo luggage and I didn't plan to stay here for that long.

So it's actually really, yeah, kind of like a surprise for me as well. So I think maybe something good happens, something bad happens. It's always like kind of violence, I think. And how did your parents or friends at home take it or family back home take it when you said, I'm not coming back. I'm not going to stay here. Yeah. The thing is that it's a little bit hard for me because I told my mom that I'm going to come back like in three months because the thing is that I've been like traveling around like already like for

like when I was in Hong Kong so she kind of already get used to that okay you're going somewhere else but then actually because of the Covid I came back like not for three months after three years because I just came back like last year since like they opened up again. Wow. So it's tough. Yeah I can imagine and obviously the time difference as well it's not just like not being able to see them but it's like having to match when you can talk because I guess you're going to speak really early in the morning to yourself for them to be...

Yeah, yeah, that's also really hard actually it was really tough time I think the previous three four years have they come to visit you in Sweden No, it's not possible because the thing is that they had like a quarantine, right? So it was like 21 day Impossible actually then they couldn't really like work and stuff like that. So it's not possible. that's hopefully that will change in the future and

James Doran (06:13.742)

I guess because you said you're gonna visit your boyfriend accommodation was kind of sorted you were staying with him? Yep, yep. Actually the thing is also kind of yeah it's also kind of interesting because we we didn't have the accommodation during that time because he actually was working and studying abroad so he had no accommodation when he came back but so we were like living together with his parents for the first few months actually. It's a good way of getting close with your...

partner's family. And you live by, which is good and you're still together. So, yeah, we still do. But it was really like shock and yeah, everything is like, it's so spontaneous. So that's why it's really hard to really like sort it out, like in, in a fast amount of time. So yeah, but we were trying to fix it like maybe time by time. Wonderful. was there anything else you, I guess, because it all happened so sudden for you to get

Just reached it. You didn't really think about the whole getting there because it just happened. So There's no for what I need to ask you anymore about it I don't think because it's more probably on the section two about being there because most things that people will think about the forehand Is what you had to live through? Yeah, exactly. So it's Yeah, actually now that I think about it. I I'm not sure if I would do it again if I will go back Like that pure of time

What? You can always take a twenty three click of the gun bag. No matter where you go.

James Doran (07:54.83)

So welcome to section two of the podcast, all about being there. This is where I asked my guests the kind of first impressions of the place they've lived, the language, how different it is to what you're used to, and then the cultural differences from what you're used to. I guess for you, because you moved during COVID, a lot of things were different. I actually think that this is quite different because I have already been to Sweden before. So I thought I already should have like a tip of it.

before I came here, but then it's still very different because it's really cold. I mean, the weather always like a problem because we always, we're still talking about the weather every time when I met some someone new, you know, we're still talking about bad weather. And the second thing is that I think the distance between people is a big thing, right? I guess all, yeah, that's why like many of the experts has still problem with the integration because of the distance with the local people.

And the third thing is the language. Because I think the language maybe is the language because everyone can speak English here. So it's quite easy to communicate. Maybe you can speak English before you come. Yeah. So I think it's really good. But then actually I applied for the SFV because I still wanted to really learn about this language because my boyfriend and his family is speaking

Swedish as well. So I will also want it to be like, kind of like in the conversation, right? So, so then I think that, it's a good way for the Swedish government to also subsidize all the immigrant to learn British through this, SSS SFV program. This is a program where you can study Swedish for, for the immigrant. yeah. So that's a good system. And what else? I think also maybe, maybe more about the weather.

Because the thing is that actually I think in Sweden it's only like maybe three months of the sunlight and the rest of the time it's like cold, darkness and like windy. So I didn't expect that actually. I really didn't expect that because you really need to find a lot of like good activities when you just to kill and also to spend time with your friends in order to get rid of the depression, you know, because I think Sweden has like a big problem for the depression problem. Yeah, especially in the winter.

James Doran (10:21.87)

I noticed that there's England's climate isn't too dissimilar. Yes. The Gotham boy. Yeah, exactly. Why group wasn't too dissimilar, but it was just that much different like 20 minutes a day, daylight either side and you notice it right and especially this jet was the lowest amount of sunlight since the 80s supposedly. We did not make it fun. And right like in England, you can always go to the pump.

or go and like find someone who's doing something because everyone seems to be living closer. There's more of a neighborhood feel here, especially where I live now. You have to walk 20 minutes to find a bit of life. Yeah. If you live in the city center, you will not see anyone for a while, which is really interesting.

Actually, I remember during the COVID, it's also one of the thing is even worse is about the distance because I'm not sure if I'm still getting it right because the things that my impression to Sweden is that actually people does some really, it's not like they don't want to talk to each other. It's more like they really don't want to be in like a small area together. So for example, when into the escalator, I mean in my building,

Like if there's someone inside already, they really don't want you to get inside. I mean, together to take the elevator. They will say that, no, no, no, no. Yeah, I will wait. I'll wait. I'll wait. I'm not sure if it's because of COVID or actually it's because of the Swedish culture. I remember this one time I was in the IKEA. I was like, kind of like, you know, the IKEA, they has like a really big, I mean, the... And then I wanted to get in and then they're like, no.

We want to be ourselves. Yeah, yeah, but he was during the COVID. So maybe I should try and... I think it is COVID because I know a lot of Swedes don't like eye contact with strangers. Because in England, everyone just says hello to people unless you're in London. People are quite friendly. Whereas here, it feels like they just look away from you or they don't want to make eye contact. Even if he's your friend. They'll...

James Doran (12:36.526)

So it's easier to make friends with internationals because they're the ones who are seeking friends because they have not got the same social network that I guess if you're from here, you have over time from school, which is a good point to bring up. And also I think yesterday, I was talking to some more like experts about Swedish culture and they thought that it's also hard to make friends with the Swedish people because the things that...

For example, when they have colleagues in the workplace, it seems that they have a good relationship for like maybe four years, 10 years, but once they resign, they will just pretend that they don't know each other. I mean, they don't even want to say hi back to each other. I have never experienced because I don't really have so much colleagues, but I don't know if it's true. Yeah, I still speak to a lot of my colleagues.

from some previous jobs, or even from previous countries now, which is quite nice. But yeah, you, you, you select the ones you want to stay friends with. Yeah, I know. That's what I, that's what I think. I heard from other people. So this is not like my own opinion because I don't have any experience about this year, but I think, yeah, I hope that it's not that worse. If there's some Swedish, like people who is listening to this podcast now.

Okay, so you've moved now, obviously COVID was difficult, but did you know, hearing stories of what it was like back home, like the differences between living in Sweden, because Sweden was obviously quite liberal with the approach to COVID and not really having lockdowns and trying to go for... Yeah, I think during COVID, Sweden is a really nice place to stay with because I heard that in my, I mean, where I live in Hong Kong, I...

were really scared. They were still having the mask, I think still now, because they just removed the law of people has to wear the mask compulsory, like maybe two, three months, I think. But they are still like wearing voluntary because they are really nervous about the virus and stuff. So in the beginning, I was also like affected a little bit, getting affected a little bit like about this, because I thought that, maybe like,

James Doran (15:00.654)

Sweden is too loose, maybe they should be more restricted and learn from other countries and stuff like that. So I also try not to join too much of the social activities, even though there's no restriction. But then after some time I realized that maybe this is also a new way to solve the problem because you can't really restrict forever. So then I start to live together with the virus.

So which I think that is very good because you don't really like restrict too much of your social activities and like, so I think this approach I, I mean, yeah, of course now when you look back, I think maybe it's better, but during that time it's really hard to say who is right and who is wrong. Yeah. I guess there's like anything you got to choose a direction and stick with it. I found when I came to Sweden the first time for work, it was August, 2021.

And in England there was lockdowns and you had to wear a mask in shops. So it was still quite serious and still quite a few like deaths. You have to do tests to fly and everything else. And it was, it was after Brexit. So when I arrived, they were like, are you allowed here? And I'm like, yeah, it's for work. Are you your work permit? I said, I don't because it were either work permit. You're a tourist. I said, no, because tourists aren't allowed in Sweden because of COVID.

I'm here for work. Yeah, I go back and forth with the lady, the passport. I got in because I had the letter from my office. And then I was on the tram going to work and I put my mask on and everyone looked at me really weirdly. And I'm like, this is like chalk and cheese to, to what I was used to back home. And it's, I kind of felt like, before COVID, I know it's quite popular in Asian culture to wear a mask. Did you see? Yeah.

in like England, it would be like, why is our person wearing a mask? And then like, it's only taking COVID to realize naturally that's the polite thing to do. Yeah. And I think that's helped quite a lot with empathy for that. And another thing when I was first here as well, cause again, like I hadn't dreamed about like going to an event with lots of people, but there was an Oktoberfest on in Gothenburg and my colleague invited me, but there was a weird like Swedish rule that you could, you could drink at a table.

James Doran (17:26.702)

but you can't dance during COVID. And this was in a big tent in Hayden in the city. And there was a band playing music and encouraging people to enjoy it. So we'd stand up and start dancing. And then the police would come over like, no, sit down. For security, you look like policemen. But then you could go in queue and dance in the queue to the bathroom. So it felt like there were so many loopholes within the whole system.

And you're feeding these people lots of alcohol. Yeah. As soon as you make it would work. Cause I suppose there's a license, there's a dancing license you have to apply for in Sweden, I think. And just a drinking license. I guess the whole controlling of alcohol. But it was something I noticed, which is quite funny. Going out of COVID now and into normal life, you can call post COVID normal life. What are the biggest differences you've observed between Hong Kong?

Maybe the things to do I think because in Sweden due to like the weather factor we can't really do so much like outdoor activities so like for example swimming and like some like warm country like stuff and also in Sweden I think there's not so much like entertainment because the thing is you always have something like maybe some

some stuff to do. I don't know, there's also some like a restaurant, like they have a lot of restaurants and then we have also like a lot of like things to spend time and like spend time with the friends. But in Sweden it's more like, you do some sport and then you do some like, you go out, actually you don't really go out and then you maybe invite the friends home and to do home. Yeah. Yeah. So I think in terms of the

entertainment is also a big thing because there's not so much like, I think, things to do together, all the people together, this kind of thing. Yeah, that's a good point you bring up because I agree with you on that. I've seen in the UK, especially in like large towns and cities, there's a lot of different entertainment things to do, be it watching films or theatre or, yeah, like themed bars, which you can go and play sports in or just

James Doran (19:53.006)

bit of fun with yeah you're right in Sweden I haven't noticed it too much maybe it's because it's in Swedish I don't know like a lot of theater in Swedish so it kind of feels as a barrier there there's a really good English theater here which I recommend going to called guest leave the afternoon on but yeah you're right it just feel like there's less options yeah the options got to paddle centers yeah yeah

how do I scale that? I still going up. But other than that, I think maybe maybe this is like one part that is missing. I think maybe the night life, right? Because it's not city life. Or maybe we never live in Stockholm. Maybe Stockholm is better. I'd imagine it would be because more people. Yeah, exactly. Thanks for too. Because it feels like it is quite a student life. You go to like, Ersta Landsgatan, the

or the near Yantoget where all the student bars are. There's a lot of life there, but it's not okay. That's fine. But you go in London or you go to in Liverpool and from this student part. And then there's the kind of young professionals part where it's a bit more civilized. You get very nice cocktails and things. And it's that kind of ambiance. Yeah. I think maybe all in all, like Gaffer -Berd is more like calm and quiet.

And yeah, I think, yeah, this kind of style, I think it's good. Do you have a boat? I've understood. They always have a face in Swedish, like loon and rule. So I really feel like yeah, Sweden is like this. It's like calm and nature. Yeah. This can go to the lake and just lie down in the sun. Yeah. Not, not, not always because it's harder. Yeah.

Today is a perfect day for it. Yeah, today is perfect. Actually, I think from this month onward, we still have like three, four months left. I'm looking forward to that. Yeah. And then I guess the last thing is, is what it's like to work in Sweden. You said you kind of work for yourself. Yeah. If you're in startup with boyfriend. What was that like? What's the kind of working world like in Sweden compared to our own? But I think it's quite hard to come.

James Doran (22:19.182)

because in Hong Kong I work for someone else, right? But in here, we work together with friends so we have a lot of flexibility. So we can kind of finish whatever we want and we can have our own style to do stuff and that's not really a boss to ask me what to perform and what task to do. So I think, yeah, in terms of...

that I think is quite good because I kind of have all the freedom of like what I want to like how I want to do and I can try a lot of different stuff as well because it's kind of like open book right and can just like add the ingredient by yourself. So I think in terms of that is quite nice. Yeah, because the thing is I've never really worked in Sweden in this sense. So I can't really like compare like in a fair way because I yeah, I think that's that's really hard for me to.

talk about in this aspect. That's fine. I guess having a startup in Sweden, how do you find working for yourself in the environment? I was just saying that, do you believe that a startup in a different country would be different? I think actually one thing is that Sweden is kind of like a great environment for startup because the things that they have a lot of support and also maybe the competition is not that high.

So, and it's kind of also free for people who want to try new stuff and, and test it because I mean, yeah, it's kind of, calm in this, in this way as well. That's why I think Sweden has a lot of like a sort of company as well popping up because, there's always like a safety net. If you can't really, survive on the business, then you can come back out.

to the job market and maybe do something else. So it's kind of like open it. And it's quite nice because since I actually went to some of the entrepreneurship hub last year, and I also like try to do like more networking with like other entrepreneur, I think that is also kind of like a good way to maybe get to know each other because then the thing is that if you're working by yourself in Sweden, you also want to kind of have a community to have like.

James Doran (24:42.542)

more brainstorming and also networking. So in this sense, I think Sweden is kind of a good place to start. I heard. Yeah. Amazing. Well, thank you for sharing your life of being in Sweden. We'll go on to section three of a review.

James Doran (25:05.774)

Hey, so welcome to section three of the podcast, which I've not actually named and I should do and I keep saying I'm going to name this, but someone please give us your idea of what to name this section. But it's basically just a review of your time in the places you've lived. So I guess if you could kind of travel back three years, or nearly four years, I guess, and tell yourself some bit of advice, I guess.

pack more clothes is the first thing you'd say. But what would you, what would you help yourself with? What would you tell yourself? Or would you, would you just say nothing? Just enjoy it, embrace it. I think, yeah, first I will pack much more stuff. That has always been like my wish, I think. And I think I will do more. The thing is that actually also one more thing that I kind of regretted for three years is that,

the time when I decided to come, I only give myself three days to say goodbye to everyone. I mean, to my mom and to my friends. So I didn't really say a proper goodbye to all my friends. So I kind of also didn't really prepare mentally that I'm gonna live for three years. I think that I will also do, and I will maybe try to, yeah, I think the main thing is that I will just try to do more mental preparation. And I think that would be good, yes.

I guess it's quite unfair asking you that question because your experience was just thrust upon you. Whereas most people kind of know they're going for a length of time. Yeah, I think it's a bit special. I think no one would really do that because after I shared this experience to my friend, they also said that I'm crazy. Because I don't think anyone would do the same. Because it's kind of like this actually when my boyfriend asked me if I want to go back to Sweden together with him.

I kind of the next day I talked to my boss and then I said I'm gonna quit. And then she asked me why and I'm like, yeah, because I have to go to Sweden. Yeah, because this is kind of my personality. I just feel like doing it. I don't know. Yeah. I didn't really give myself like a turning back or like a very spontaneous and in the murder. Because I thought it was also nice to try because I have never really tried to live in Sweden. I mean, that's why I jumped at the opportunity when I was.

James Doran (27:32.334)

Well, I pushed for it actually, but I always wanted to live abroad and I made it happen. And similar to you, it's like, why not? Yeah, that's the most important thing actually, because otherwise you can't really move. You need to take, you can't just say, but maybe I take too much action actually. I need to think more next time. Yeah, but at least it's not boring. I don't think my life is boring. It's too exciting.

Yeah. But actually the thing is actually one more thing that maybe I also want to share is that, I think that, is a little bit, it's kind of also like a tough decision, right? So I didn't really do enough mental preparation, because I, I, I was too spontaneous, right? But actually usually it's working, but this time it's a little bit special with the COVID.

because I didn't expect it to be like this big. So actually after one month I arrived to Sweden and it's locked down and everything. And I actually run into like a depression I think for kind of one year. I don't know, it's really hard already in Sweden, but with the COVID it's like impossible to really meet so much people, right?

So after that year, I really experienced like a different side of myself. I need to understand like who am I and this kind of thing. And I also was like fighting a lot with my boyfriend during the time. And this thing I have never experienced and I think that maybe this is also one of the factor that I need to reconsider. Because the thing is that when you move abroad to someone, right? And yeah, but the thing is that maybe you don't talk about my experience. If you just in general move abroad.

maybe for someone or for like something you always need to take this into consideration that maybe you are gonna get into a fight because you're gonna meet each other like for too long and you will have like some conflict. So I think this is also one thing. So that's why I think it's very tough for me during that period because I think the social need is lacking for myself because I used to be very active.

James Doran (29:42.414)

do a lot of stuff and then I, it's kind of like empty for one year for in my life. Of course we actually have our startup, right? I still have some work that I can perform, but during that, yeah, yeah, but, but that, that, that lack of the friendship and kind of like social need is really like making me like feel very empty. So afterward, that's why I also met James through the group that I created. Like it's like the record sport group.

I think that is a very good initiative because there's also one problem in Sweden is that it's not so much like thing to participate and join. So I actually spent for like another three months to search for activities that I can join maybe like back to the community again. But then I couldn't really find so much because the thing is that I was also very into like sport and this kind of like activities, right? But it's not so much people who is hosting. That's why I was thinking that, maybe I should create one.

Yeah, I joined the beach volleyball club, the center, thinking, it's perfect. I'll be able to find people to play with. You know, really hard to find like just a random group to play with in beach volleyball. It feels like the community exists, but it's already closed and it's really hard to play with work. But like I wanted to join a league or find a playing partner or something and start doing the tournaments. But there's a huge barrier to entry for that. I managed to join a

indoor volleyball team, which is good. Which has helped me a lot to meet people. But the beach volleyball is, and this sport in Sweden feels it's very expensive. And everyone seems to have already the groups. So I'm quite fortunate that you made the racquetball kind of Facebook group. And that was completely open to anyone who wants to join and the way which we played wasn't like matches.

it was more fluid and you just keep changing partners and that made it a lot more fun and a great way to meet people for sure. Yeah, because that was also one of the kind of idea that how to really like make the people to be together because I think that I experienced myself that these three years was not super easy. I think it would have been much more easy if like all the people that have similar background can like kind of

James Doran (32:06.766)

be together and share like each other's like, like, trouble or like share some of the like experience somehow, because then help each other out. Right. So I think that would be like a kind of much better thing. So that's why I was also important to have like this kind of platform for people to also like find the people that is similar with the similar experience. And maybe you have someone to talk and connect. Yeah.

That's why I think it's also good to have this kind of channel to reach out to people, I think. What advice would you give someone who's moving from Hong Kong, anywhere in the world? I think, actually the thing is that I think one thing that is very important is that you need to have kind of like a purpose why you are doing this. This is the main thing to kind of like continue.

Because I have heard a lot of story that many people after they move abroad, it's not just to Sweden, maybe everywhere in the world, they just maybe have like a heavy mental issue. It's because maybe if you just simply go abroad with no reason or maybe moving abroad for your boyfriend or for like for your partner, then it's really hard because then maybe eventually you blame each other. Like why am I here? I was having a good life.

or my home country. So I think one big thing is that you need to have a purpose of you want to go out because you want to explore the world, you want to go out because you want to get the job, you want to be global, you need to have that reason for you. And then the second is to try to try your best to socialize. I mean, it doesn't matter like how much friends you have in the home country. I mean, you go to the new country, you need to adapt to the new culture, you need to adapt to...

this is the new person. So I think these two things are important. And then the last thing is to prepare mentally. But actually, you don't really need to prepare so much. I mean, if you, yeah, I think you just need to find a purpose and then try to maybe live the best out of it. Because then it's going to be the best experience because I still believe that, you know, like all the abroad experience is going to be eventually a life changing one because then I mean, because the thing is that

James Doran (34:25.55)

Every time when we are learning and doing something different, it's already a big step to grow as a personal development. So I think it's good already to move this step, actually. Definitely, I think, because I'll probably end up going back to England at some point. And from this experience, I've been able to get an empathy for other people who aren't living in their home country because of how I felt.

being so far from home and being far from my girlfriend who's also in another country and understanding like what people are going through. Because if you only live where you always lived, you don't really have the appreciation of people that people are having. And I think that go go into them abroad, go and try it, go and explore everywhere because you'll grow as a person. You'll experience what it's like to be an immigrant somewhere. And then hopefully then you will treat everyone.

with as much respect as they deserve because you've been there and you've understood it. Maybe not the same magnitude, but you have a bit of empathy. As you said, with like not knowing the social side of it, my colleague is just kind of moved to Sweden following what I did. And one of the first things I said was, if ever you're feeling lonely or feeling like a bit down, just give me a call and we'll do something because I've been there and I know it's not a great place to be in, especially if you're alone.

So yeah, it's a wonderful thing to have. Yeah, exactly. I think that it's really good that, I, I still believe that it's really good that people is trying to like move around because I think that the reason why we have this kind of wall and this kind of like a problem in the world that we are facing right now is because we don't really understand each other enough. I think that we have like such a big work and different like habits. So I think it's important that we're trying to like in.

all sort of our effort and channel to try to understand each other and try to, try to give each other more empathy, just like what James said. Then I think at the end, we gonna be like create like a better community and society and work together because I think we need to understand each other. Yeah. And just to kind of end, what's your favourite Swedish expression? I think it's Swedish expression is, yeah, I have one actually, but I forgot.

James Doran (36:48.558)

Yeah, actually I really like the room, like I mean the calm and quiet because I think it's really a perfect match with the city I'm living now. And the second one is the, I just forgot actually, I just had it in my mind, but Logom is also a good one. Logom is like, you know, it's not too less. Yeah, Logom is great. It's great. Yeah, actually. But the thing is that you don't want to be a Logom person. Logom is great, but you don't want to be a Logom person. Every time my colleagues ask me how I see it.

Yeah, I'm like, yeah log on. Yeah. No, you can't use log on for feelings. They go. Okay, long arm brah. He's just like, log. I'm good. No, you can't do that. Why not? I don't feel great. I don't feel bad. I just feel as it as normal. Yeah. Okay. and also last one. I think it's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a thing that we have after in tea, but it's just you do every day. Yeah. Yeah. You just do it like, yeah.

We just have like a kind of an excuse to maybe take a break and yeah, we can have a Vika. Yeah, I walk around my coffee cup to my colleague. Yeah, it's nice. Seems you have good colleagues. I'm very blessed with the colleagues I have. It's not always the case, but I'm very lucky to have some good friends. Yes, so thank you Eunice for your time. It's been really interesting understanding that you actually moved during COVID. I didn't know that about you. Obviously we spoke at the event we played with.

together, but I didn't know an awful lot about your kind of journey to Sweden. So thank you for sharing that. You've been so open about it all. Yeah. Do you want to give people some knowledge of where they can find the racket sports club? Yeah, we have like a Facebook group, which is called Racket Sport and other fun activities in Gaffenberg. So I think when you search it, it should pop up actually.

Because things that in the beginning we were thinking about to create like a record sport, but then we were thinking that maybe for people who doesn't play sport, we can do other things. So I just said, quote, like other, other things, yeah. Other, other fun things. Yeah. It definitely is fun things. So if you are in Gothenburg, please look for it and get in touch and you'll meet some great people and have some really good fun. Thank you. If you did find anything in this episode, which was.

James Doran (39:15.566)

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